Some of the people...
Nov. 7th, 2008 11:53 am![[personal profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png){kind=small}
skyringOK, it was the end of a twelve hour shift at the end of a week of same and maybe I didn't express myself clearly.
I thank everyone for giving their opinion.
I agree with those who commentated, yes, if McCain had given better speeches, he might have won. That's the point. But that's not what the original poster was saying.
Here's my paraphrase, watering down the original poster:
...it's a good thing his past speeches weren't like that, otherwise he might have won.
She wasn't saying that if he'd given better speeches McCain might have won. That's just stating the obvious. She was saying, in strong terms, that it was a good thing he wasn't more attractive to the voters. Otherwise he might have won.
Well, just how do you judge a political candidate? How do you make your mind up who to vote for? Wouldn't the things a candidate says in public be an excellent way of deciding whether to vote for him or her? Isn't that precisely how Obama won his magnificent victory?
I think that the original poster was saying that the people can be fooled by what a candidate says, but she can't.
She's not an American, but she knows better than the American people which way they should vote. Regardless of what the candidates actually say to their fellow Americans.
Well, I disagree with that attitude, and I disagree strongly. The bottom line is that in America, after more than two centuries the strong and thriving ancestral home of modern democracy, the voters get a chance to vote any way they please for whatever private reasons they have.
I thank everyone for giving their opinion.
I agree with those who commentated, yes, if McCain had given better speeches, he might have won. That's the point. But that's not what the original poster was saying.
Here's my paraphrase, watering down the original poster:
...it's a good thing his past speeches weren't like that, otherwise he might have won.
She wasn't saying that if he'd given better speeches McCain might have won. That's just stating the obvious. She was saying, in strong terms, that it was a good thing he wasn't more attractive to the voters. Otherwise he might have won.
Well, just how do you judge a political candidate? How do you make your mind up who to vote for? Wouldn't the things a candidate says in public be an excellent way of deciding whether to vote for him or her? Isn't that precisely how Obama won his magnificent victory?
I think that the original poster was saying that the people can be fooled by what a candidate says, but she can't.
She's not an American, but she knows better than the American people which way they should vote. Regardless of what the candidates actually say to their fellow Americans.
Well, I disagree with that attitude, and I disagree strongly. The bottom line is that in America, after more than two centuries the strong and thriving ancestral home of modern democracy, the voters get a chance to vote any way they please for whatever private reasons they have.
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Date: 2008-11-07 03:11 am (UTC)IMO, had anyone else said the same thing, you would not have blinked an eye over it. I've now come to believe that you've chosen this route because of past bad feelings between you and the lady in question.
I'm through here. You'll believe what you want to believe no matter what we say.
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Date: 2008-11-07 03:39 am (UTC)But I read a certain attitude towards the voting public into her comments, and it's an attitude I see and hear constantly. That the voters get it wrong now and then.
In a free and fair election, where the opinions and platforms are well-known and freely discussed, the voters can't get it wrong. That's the nature of republican democracy. Power flows from the people, not those who know better.
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Date: 2008-11-07 05:18 am (UTC)I ain't buying into anything here...and I don't even know what's going on, that's the truth.
But that is a good sentiment well expressed. Much debate could and obviously has flowed about this however!!
best wishes to pete!!! I'd duck my head mate
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Date: 2008-11-07 06:30 am (UTC)It's several years of reading her posts on political points, gaining an understanding of her beliefs and attitudes, as expressed here and in other places. I'm pretty confident that, unless she's changed her opinions radically, I'm pretty close to the mark.